tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post7633776699196736686..comments2024-03-28T18:57:15.124-06:00Comments on Wash Park Prophet: Colorado Proposition 102Andrew Oh-Willekehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-90222514057139576392010-11-02T15:55:16.901-06:002010-11-02T15:55:16.901-06:00OK so pretrial supervision is the answer right? D...OK so pretrial supervision is the answer right? Doesn't the UA's/ Counseling/ job and living space verification, and weekly check ins sound eerily similar to probation? And isn't that something you are sentenced to after being found guilty? The whole pretrial supervision thing is bs because you are being punished for a crime you have been accused of before you have the chance to clear your name. You can say well how often does that happen? But it does happen and the whole premise goes against one of the basic fundemental ideas that the U.S. was founded on and that is that you are innocent until proven guilty by your peers in a court of law. Not all people accused of crimes are actually guilty, and why should they be punished before guilt is established?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04166071102612056283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-72677870178529794522010-10-30T10:38:06.257-06:002010-10-30T10:38:06.257-06:005%?? That means 1 in 20 people fail the pre-trial ...5%?? That means 1 in 20 people fail the pre-trial program. Thats a Huge risk for everyone not in jail. A risk we should not have to take with our lives. People have paid the price already from this risk. They should use those Tax $$$ to help people get by so they wont have a reason to commit a crime. Why should I pay for the crime and not PREVENT IT FROM HAPPENING!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-53787550267704172392010-10-15T22:01:18.752-06:002010-10-15T22:01:18.752-06:00I am a bondsman in Colorado and I agree with some ...I am a bondsman in Colorado and I agree with some of what Anonymous says: I have a vested interest in individuals who do not show up for court and I also provide a service that is highly regulated by DORA and the state without additional cost to the taxpayer. There are a number of fallacies surrounding the vague language used in the proposition as well as the belief that all bondsman support this proposition for nefarious reasons.<br /><br /><br />A number of studies indicate that pre-trial release programs simply do not work. I have posted links to these studies on my blog for those who are interested.<br /><br />I for one do support Prop. 102 simply because pre-trail release is flawed and has been proven to be ineffectual.<br /><br />Mark R Perna<br />High Speed Bail Bonds<br />http://www.highspeedbailbonds.com/colorado-proposition-102-clarification-sources-facts/Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17960189703087895129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-30594060981914223312010-10-15T21:46:40.888-06:002010-10-15T21:46:40.888-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17960189703087895129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-53526383328221766202010-10-14T17:06:01.903-06:002010-10-14T17:06:01.903-06:00Anonymous Bondsmen- are you kidding me??? Bondsmen...Anonymous Bondsmen- are you kidding me??? Bondsmen have no interest in supervising people on bond.I have worked in CO for 11 years in the Criminal Justice field and have yet to run across one bondsmen that has supervised client besides reminding of court dates. Pretrial Sup does however require counseling/ ua's/ job and living space verification/ weekly check in's. Bondsmen profit each time a defendant is arrested, it is not in your best interest to keep them out of trouble. Pretrial Sup helps lower recidivism by keeping defendants away from alc/ drugs/ victims. Bondsmen on the other hand just get to make more money when a defendant get drunk and re-offends. I really can't believe the bondsmen pushing this matter think the public is that stupid. If the prop kept the community safer and lowered criminal behavior why would people who make money off the criminal behavior be backing it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-30524454549360230412010-10-12T09:18:29.176-06:002010-10-12T09:18:29.176-06:00"I do not think that is the way we should spe..."I do not think that is the way we should spend our tax dollars. Let the accused fund their own supervision if they want out of jail not the taxpayer."<br /><br />Colorado bail bond industry revenues: $50 million (per today's Denver Post) to 500 firms.<br /><br />Pre-trial services for the 70% state costs something on the order of $5-$10 million.<br /><br />Using the private sector to do the same job, less well, at many times the cost, while increasing taxpayer expenditures is hardly a good deal.Andrew Oh-Willekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-18275773674500642662010-10-12T08:26:40.718-06:002010-10-12T08:26:40.718-06:00I HATE this prop.
It is a SCAM to benefit the bail...I HATE this prop.<br />It is a SCAM to benefit the bail bond industry.<br /><br />I remember being approached to sign the petition with: "keep violent criminals off the street".<br />I thought to myself: if this was a problem I would have read about it.<br />Then I went off to do research to determine who was behind the effort. Not an easy task, but eventually I found out: the bail bond industry.Dave Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07355264650239868491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-83248521579727322692010-10-11T14:28:43.940-06:002010-10-11T14:28:43.940-06:00@Dokemion:
I'm not deleting your comment, des...@Dokemion:<br /><br />I'm not deleting your comment, despite my usual policy of deleting comments that link to commercial businesses unnecessarily, because the point made in the comment make a valid consumer protection point.Andrew Oh-Willekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-12910462228729667692010-10-11T14:20:13.678-06:002010-10-11T14:20:13.678-06:00Make sure the bail agent charges you only legal ra...Make sure the bail agent charges you only legal rates not to exceed 15% or $50 minimum per bond plus bonding, booking, and filing fees required by the court and or detention facility. Any additional charges should be itemized and explained to your satisfaction.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.atbail.com/" rel="nofollow">Colorado Bail Bonds</a>Dom Casashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08678841601721339720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-15555379329383888722010-10-11T12:39:55.862-06:002010-10-11T12:39:55.862-06:00@Anonymous:
The cost of pre-trial services plus l...@Anonymous:<br /><br />The cost of pre-trial services plus lower rates of incarceration is smaller than the cost of no pre-trial services and higher rates of incarceration.<br /><br />There is really no reasonable doubt that requiring secured bonds will increase the burden on the taxpayer.<br /><br />Increased taxpayer costs with no improvements to public safety isn't a good deal.Andrew Oh-Willekehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02537151821869153861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14162253.post-82923596966807828382010-10-11T12:29:16.780-06:002010-10-11T12:29:16.780-06:00You really do not get it. I run bail bond agencies...You really do not get it. I run bail bond agencies in several states. We require physical and telephone check-ins, and in some instances rehabilitation programs and counseling as well as ankle bracelets. We also apprehend our own forfeitures or pay the penal amount of the bond (which is revenue for the state) if we cannot apprehend the defendant. We do not rely on the over burden police departments to server our warrants. We provide the same services that pretrial does at no expense to the taxpayer. Why should taxpayers fund the criminal element of our society? These people supposable broke the law and now we have to pay for them to be supervised till trial? I do not think that is the way we should spend our tax dollars. Let the accused fund their own supervision if they want out of jail not the taxpayer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com